Impeachment
The current crisis du jure is the cloud of impeachment and possible removal the President by impeachment. An impeachment requires articles to be drawn up in the House of Representatives, a trial in the Senate and a 2/3 supermajority to convict and remove from office. While the exact definition of ‘high crimes and misdemeanors’ is quite difficult to nail down, the impeachment process is deeply political and not analogous to a jury trial in any sense. The Republicans hold a six seat majority in the Senate, meaning you would need roughly half of the sitting Senators to defect for an impeachment to have its desired result. Without any inside the beltway knowledge, I see at least ten that are probable defectors. There are several more that would face the wrath of the electorate but are either in Class 1 (2018-2024) or Class 3 (2016-2022) and will likely have plenty of time to ride out the dip in polls. It is perhaps unlikely, but depending on the ‘opposition research’ obtained by warrantless surveillance of political opponents, ahem, happenstance from the likes of James Comey and John Brennan in the FBI and CIA, it would not be difficult to imagine a confluence of events that result in a successful impeachment. If the Executive Branch can be surveilled under color of law, it’s highly likely it is actively occurring to the Legislative and Judicial. So what are the implications of an impeachment successful or otherwise?
The most obvious implication would be that of a complete and utter destruction from even the most facile appearances of a federal system of government. Post-impeachment, the real source of power in D.C. would be those who control the intelligence agencies, or have access to privileged personal and metadata through corporate sources. The ability to cripple a political opponent or rival to your incumbency through the clearly apolitical and entirely innocent tools and legal privileges provided to federal intelligence agencies and law enforcement is exactly what was intended in the Constitution. It most certainly would never be abused or used to create the latchkey tyranny that Edward Snowden warned about. Once naked force is an acceptable form of politics, violence is but one small step away.
Another implication would be that the will of the people, according to existing federal law, was rejected. While I don’t give any philosophical credence to the idea of democracy or the federal form of government, I also realize it is exceptionally important to many people. A first world economy and the social norms we are used to are incredibly reliant on large amounts of social trust. We largely cooperate with law enforcement and government agencies. Most people aren’t fencing in their property or living with bars over their windows like Mexico City. What is the point of voting if the results can be rewritten? If the vote is no longer of any import, then what incentive is there to participate in the franchise? Trump may not have gotten the popular vote, but 50M voters represent a sizable population to completely disenfranchise. What exactly will those voters do when they arrive at the conclusion a handful of people 3,000 miles away have removed them entirely from the equation?
A Trump impeachment would, politically, be a watershed moment in US history. It would forever change the political and cultural landscape of the country. The implications of it would be felt for decades to come. The Republican Party would cease to exist as a national party and the turmoil would not stop in the political arena. Whether the American public would see this as an act of war against them and respond to it in kind, I do not know. Articles of impeachment are likely in the coming weeks or months, the efficacy of them remains to be seen. In either event, the political pressure to subvert the results of the 2016 election will not stop.
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I think war is a scenario though the most unlikely one. Most will still get up go to work, come home, drink and watch the game in climate control in their comfy chair.
Change requires discomfort.
When I see that the majority of House GOPes (rhymes with dopes) voted with the DemSocRats to condemn Trump for pulling our troops out of Syria (as he promised to do), it makes me think that there are enough Senate GOPes who will vote to convict him in an impeachment trial.
And what exactly will they charge the POTUS with?
Mean tweets?
Talking to foreign leaders?
There isn’t any crime, so I suppose they’ll have to make something up.
A far more effective means they could use is to somehow crash the economy during his tenure.
Latin America has muddled through decades of this stuff with no obvious end in sight. Fukiyama told us we were at the end of history because liberal democracy had triumphed. The horror could be that he’s right: they pretend to hold elections and we pretend to vote. What if that’s all there is, like Latin America? In a decade, maybe we’ll have a dictator for life like Hugo Chavez. I saw something today on the Chinese Communist Party about how one-party systems only last 70 years. Isn’t that about how long our own managerial party has lasted or are we just beginning one-party rule?
Agree, only the collapse of the Welfare State will force change. When the checks no longer cash is when the ammo box trumps the ballot box – real or otherwise.
The Congressional resolution is feckless. If it meant that much to them, they should have declared war.
As I said elsewhere:
“Honestly, why would he be impeached for repositioning troops around Syria? Because there is disagreement on the matter? Congress is not in charge of military strategy and deployment, that’s the US military via orders ultimately approved by the President, in his capacity as CinC. Congress can declare war, and alternatively approve funding/nonfunding of military operations, that’s it.
The President didn’t issue illegal orders, or even order combat actions at all, other than area denial measures as we left bases behind. There is no high crime. Just high disagreement over his lawful orders. That’s no more impeachable than the Ukraine BS.
Does this mean the House won’t vote for an illegal, unjustified impeachment? Of course not. Does this mean that McConnell will refuse to hold the trial? Also, of course not. Anything can happen. And if it goes to trial, the Dems are massively exposed.”
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OK, then what? Say Orange Man Bad is successfully impeached and convicted by the Senate. What happens if Trump say’s….”This is a a coup and I don’t recognize the impeachment conviction and refuse to leave the WH….make me!” I would be with him and I suspect many millions of Americans would be standing with Trump also……Spicy Time is coming….4th Turning. Sadly much like a shaken soda bottle the building pressure in American politics is likely to be released in an orgy of death and bloody mayhem.
War is MOST Defiantly the way this will go! The time for elites to be shown the door is fast approaching. You can pontificate all you want, you better be ready, because it is coming.
I suspect you have which party dies reversed. I know way too many Democrats who have told me they will vote against their party candidate if Trump is Impeached. If that dynamic is widespread the Dims are doomed.
The deep state still exists. They could easily produce a disaster and make sure POTUS is blamed for it.
It never went away. And Trump won’t be the one to get rid of it.
What you morons keep forgetting is; 1. even if you could somehow break through to get the two Dems who voted against w/ complete Republican House Reps…. in a Senate controlled by those Republicans… Trump right now has 95% Approval among Republicans in America!
The abandon ship drill has already started on Dem side in the House. The courts are forming a Grand Jury on the 11 count indictment of Democrat’s ‘Uranium One’ Scandal. Where the transportation of our Uranium from America, to Russia (Dem Collusion w/ Russians) and then resold for more back to America show REAL Quid Pro Quo transactions w/ Americans putting Money from taxpayers in their own pockets from Russian Oligarchies! Equals=Money Laundering for Profit of Tax Payer Dollars!
Yet don’t think for a moment this first court case brought by DoJ last year won’t get a conviction of at least a few Dem’s as1st Domino set to fall soon. Plus Remember; Impeachment even removal (as likely as the Moon crashing into the earth) would not prevent Trump from running and Winning in 2020 November Election! ….then Dems will be forced to start the whole ‘Impeachment’ Scam again!
Remember 11 indictments and all roads lead to Brennan (Clapper to Obama) being on Board of ‘Hakluyt’. The London based Spy Agency, Mifsud your FAKE Russian Dem Spy worked for. Which Alexander Downer (best beasties w/Hillary/Bill) pretending to be a spy to Papadopoulos. Which is what set off the FISA Abuse investigation of Democrats by Durham & AG Barr! …yet Dems R-Still CRYING BUCKETS over Losing to Trump vs Hillary!